Monday, January 21, 2013

Quantum Consciousness (Stuart Hameroff)


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  1. Thanks for this.

    I've periodically read bits and pieces of Stuart's work, but still was unclear on his exact position regarding sourcing of Consciousness - in the brain or not, and if not where. He clarifies that point in the first minute.

  2. I would like to listen to the rest of this interview, but ran into a brick wall. zencat01 seems to be the youtube uploader but perusing his site only reveals 9+ minute interview, you have embedded.

    Oh well.

  3. He references Penrose in second video as well as clarifies some points about AI. About computerization and something I feel uncomfortable with with regard to the analogy of the synapse as data entry point of 0 and 1. This is what although makes sense in his Tom Campbell's book, in lectures referred to the game of Warcraft. Such thoughts disregard the idea of a freewill if such a proposal is evident with regard to the continue reference to consciousness as a AI comparison????

  4. I think there was enough to demonstrate what I replied to you to ask what you think about Stuart's comments on the AI and computerized analogies with regard to consciousness?

  5. Just for reference, Tom mentions AI Guy in the trilogy as an element of AI and Consciousness nexus.

  6. Well, I don't harmonize with this aspect of Hameroff, to the point that I didn't watch the second video you have embedded as it would have been my second viewing.

    The first viewing wasn't what I'd call enjoyable. I got the feeling I was listening to a 'singularity fanboy', so to speak.

    I remember he was very vague about the 'some part of Consciousness out in the Universe'. I find that ambiguity a weak link, an obstacle leading to failure, ultimately.

  7. Additionally, I see no disregard of free will required.

  8. In essence this is what I wanted to show you...and your thoughts in face of what was presented. That you thought to add this means that you understood there was something deeper implied by the presentation of videos and am glad you responded.

    How would you show "no disregard of free will required." Can you answer that more directly by how you arrived at your conclusion?

  9. Not, in depth, at least. It's operative at the IUOC level down to us, the FWAU's. My conclusion is just based on intellectual research.

    Here's Tom's page of FW and related matters:

  10. What do we mean by virtual? We call something virtual if is a creation of consciousness – i.e., it exists only in an IUOC’s mind or AUM’s mind. More specific to us: Something is virtual if it is an interpretation of data received by an IUOC/FWAU. All of the content of consciousness is
    virtual – only consciousness itself is fundamental. All information results from an interpretation of data received from “other”. Other is just another part of AUM being used to create interactive learning
    opportunities through the successful processing of experience into new growth (decreasing system entropy). Are not the IUOCs themselves a
    creation of AUM’s mind”, then they too are virtual but at a higher level– like a simulation within a simulation. IUOCs are virtual probabilistic subsets of rules/data/information whose output must be interpreted by AUM and by other IUOCs. IUOCs, like AUM itself, represent self-modifying units of interactive memory, processing, and purpose
    that take in data and output data. Between the data input and data output of these virtual beings there exists an intent and free will which generates (through the processing function) personal subjective information out of input data and memory.
    Understanding IUOC and FWAUs in Terms of the Larger Consciousness System

    Of course it was important to me to see the context of how AI is expressed as a expression of consciousness. Was to see that such an expression can be a "product of that consciousness" and not seen as the "inability of consciousness unable to express itself" also exemplify this ability to choose experience as a probabilistic outcome of data usage and construction set toward probable outcomes?